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Jo Lein

Jo Lein

Leadership development coach and educator at Tulsa Public Schools; author of "Burn the Script: How Great Coaches Disrupt Thinking and Transform Practice" (2024).

Jul 12, 2026

7:45
Yeah, I told you writing a book is not that hard.
Jo Lein
Jo LeinGUEST
7:48
I just did it.
Jo Lein
Jo LeinGUEST
7:49
The word avoidance is the right one here, right? And avoidance, though, can sometimes be a little deceiving.
Jo Lein
Jo LeinGUEST
7:56
Sometimes avoidance looks like detaching or surrendering, but sometimes it also looks like overworking and overexerting in certain areas, mostly as a distraction, right? So there's like sort of these protective behaviors.
Jo Lein
Jo LeinGUEST
8:11
But you said, like, what can we trace that back to this conflict avoidance? And there's a couple of kind of things that I kind of break down in the book around the things that anchor our beliefs.
Jo Lein
Jo LeinGUEST
8:26
So it's.
Jo Lein
Jo LeinGUEST
8:29
Christina Jo Weiland she, her, her, her, skill identity and value so skill identity and value anchor our beliefs, so I might.

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18:35
So

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