Jo Johnson

I mean, the problems are legion.

Yes, I mean, I can quote Joe Johnson, who was higher education minister twice, once under Theresa May and then once under his brother, Boris Johnson.

And he gave an interview last month where he said, lifting student numbers controls was the most important social mobility reform of the last generation.

It ended the artificial rationing system, so the institutions having a limit on the number of home undergraduates they could take, in which opportunity was constrained by treasury controls, not student potential.

So for him, and this is where you kind of, this is where the, you know, you see these kind of ideological slogans on the policy.

And Joe Johnson and David Willits are interesting because they're both almost like the last intellectuals we've had in the higher education ministerial post, in that they will have an argument with you.

David Willis used to write to the LRB and complain about Howard Hodson articles and say, this is what the point of our reforms is.

They had a view and a vision.