Give us a sense of the sort of size of this, the feral deer population and also obviously the feral pig population as well.

So in Victoria, we'd have over a million deer.

And I feel like since working in the wild food industry and the meat industry, that's definitely growing.

And it's probably hard to put a number on it, but I know that it would be over a million in Victoria alone.

And there's quite a few different species of deer, which was another thing I didn't understand.

So we would have fallow and samba, reds.

Russa, hog deer, so quite a vast array of deer that really do span up the east coast into Tassie, across to South Australia, and they're starting to see them in Western Australia as well.

I mean, there's no reason to say that a Wenzel Schnitzel shouldn't be the sort of thing you buy ready crumb from your local supermarket.