Jim Steinmeyer

I just understood where you could hide people and the idea of, you know, horizontal lines making something seem thinner than it was and angles and things like that.

So when I would watch things like the origami box, which Jim Steinmeier, you know, the origami box, I would look at things like that and I'd go, right, okay, so the box is there at the end because it has to be because the last part of the lady who's in the box has to be in, you know what I mean? You can't just work it out.

Anyway.

And for that reason, I just, I just, it was never that sort of side of magic.

And, you know, Johnny Thompson was a terrific consultant.

And Jim Steinmeier is a great consultant.

And Ricky Jay and Michael Weber are terrific.

So there's enough guys out there that do that work that are I think far better than me.

I think that sometimes you can just do something visual for the sake of being visual, or you can do something skillful for the sake of showing off skill.

Uh, you know, I, I was-- I'm listening to an interesting book, and I'm just gonna look it up here from Jim Steinmeier.

Uh, it's called, uh, The Secret History of Magic, uh, and it is by Peter Lamont and Jim Steinmeier.

And there's some interesting things about, uh, like jugglers doing magic tricks in the eighteenth and seventeenth century.

Um, and you can look at-- You can take a, you can take a page out of jugglers now.