Jezkazgan

Kazakhstan is sitting on something like 20 billion tons of accumulated mining and metallurgical waste.

So Zhezkazgan dumps alone hold over a billion tons of steel-carrying copper.

Is that the sharpest win-win on the table? So Europe gets the metal, Kazakhstan gets a liability returned into an asset, and also, of course, as you said, having an open gate to the horizon Europe.

Yeah, I think tailings are indeed a very good example where in the past, if you look at Horizon 2020 and Horizon Europe projects, we have worked enormously on tailing cases in Europe.