Jessica Winter

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This week, Shamita sat down with The New Yorker's Jessica Winter to discuss the trial of Lindsay Clancy, the Massachusetts mother accused of murdering her three children in 2023, which ended this month in a mistrial.

They talked about what the fractured, polarized public response to this story reveals about America.

I think we've been conditioned by our social media platforms and by our streaming platforms to immediately frame these kinds of tragedies as cryptography to decode or a puzzle to solve.

It is representative of so many systems and structures and habits that we need to reform and break that it's really hard to look at the whole thing at once.

Jessica Winter is a staff writer at The New Yorker.

She's followed and covered virtually every detail of this case.

I spoke to her on this show back in twenty twenty-three when she first wrote about it.

DA Timothy Cruz called it thorough and complete, and said investigators conducted themselves with professionalism and integrity.

If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, please contact the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We'll include a link to Jessica Winter's reporting for The New Yorker on our show notes page, and every weekend you can find new episodes of Apple News in Conversation in the Apple News app.

Just tap on the audio tab, that's the little headphones at the bottom, to find it.

She has a two-year-old and is contemplating a future in which her child goes to school and spends his days on a small laptop talking to a computer.

To talk through her fears, Molly spoke to New Yorker staff writer Jessica Winter about her recent article titled, "What Will It Take to Get AI Out of Schools?" This conversation took place before the moratoriums in New York and LA.

Winter said she'd always warned her kids to avoid AI, but things changed abruptly when her daughter brought home a new Chromebook from school.

We realized that it was installed with the Google Gemini suite of AI tools.

Thank you so much for having me on the show.

I've really enjoyed our conversation.

Jessica Winter is a staff writer at The New Yorker and author of the article What Will It Take to Get AI Out of Schools?

[instrumental music] That's it for this week's show.

It is representative of so many systems and structures and habits that we need to reform and break that it's really hard to look at the whole thing at once.

Jessica Winter is a staff writer at The New Yorker.

She's followed and covered virtually every detail of this case.

I spoke to her on this show back in twenty twenty-three when she first wrote about it.

DA Timothy Cruz called it thorough and complete and said investigators conducted themselves with professionalism and integrity.

If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, please contact the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting nine eight eight.

We'll include a link to Jessica Winter's reporting for The New Yorker on our show notes page.

And every weekend, you can find new episodes of Apple News in Conversation in the Apple News App.