Jessica Utts

And two experts, they came away with very different, you know, interpretations.

Statistician Jessica Utts, probably the person that invented the pretzels and chip bread, argued that the, you know, the, the laboratory evidence showed a statistically significant effect and concluded that psychic functioning had been demonstrated.

Psychologist Ray Hyman disagreed that the evidence established paranormal perception and raised concerns about, you know, method- methodology, uh, interpretation, and whether the results were sufficiently convincing and independently replicated.

So let's make sure that I, I understand all this.