And can you please tell our listeners about your own whistleblowing and why whistleblowing became so important to you so quickly?

Sure.

I worked at the Justice Department as an ethics advisor.

And in the aftermath of 9/11, I was called about giving ethics advice on the interrogation of the so-called American Taliban, John Walker Lindh, an American who had been caught abroad fighting, supposedly, with terrorists.

And by that point, there were pictures circulating worldwide of him blindfolded, naked, bound to a board with duct tape, with epithets written on his body.

It was clear he was being tortured.

I think this is something obviously that resonates with you, John, because I know you also blew the whistle on torture.

Is that really where we've reverted? After all these years?