Jesse Winker

... a perfect balance of your guy that's just raking against lefties and a guy that's raking against righties, and it's working so brilliantly throughout the year, then okay.

But even, like, Jesse Winker, when the Mets acquired him in 2024-

Mm

... like, that was one of the few exceptions where a platoon did kind of work at the time, and it wasn't even the sexiest thing.

Mm-hmm.

My goodness, like what could've been continued to be built? And then what if you brought all those guys in 2023 up to play with guys that you kept, like Suarez? I don't know what would've happened to Winker if they didn't trade him.

Winker fell off the map as soon as he left Cincinnati.

Yeah.

Um, if they had Castellanos another year at least, if they, you know, some of the, some of that stuff could've been a better jumping-off point for the Ellies of the world.

I don't want to say it's going to be like for the Reds.

It's going to be like the Jesse Winker, Eugenio Suarez, spring training opens up two weeks later, the trade kind of thing.

But other teams will probably have to go that route because of the money they're going to be losing.

Let's talk a little bit about this 34-page memo.

Let's move to Brewers.

Jesse Winker would've been pretty high on my list.

Uh, a DB.

Uh, Wilson Contreras is that other catcher that was in the NFC Nor- or NF- NL Central that-

Stanek was a disaster for the twenty twenty-five Mets.

Jesse Winker, bad regular season, great postseason.

The Mets invested in him and hurt and, I mean, career, I guess, over.

So you just never know.

Then the Mets score another run.

The next guy to score that run, his name is Jesse Winker, who played with the Brewers.

Jesse Winker.

And he played with the Brewers that year.

He was traded from the Brewers to the Mets.

Yes.

Did you know Winker trade? That's a lifetime

ago, though.

Yeah, and the reason that it hasn't aged is because of the investment in player development.

Right.

The person we've probably been most mad at is Jesse Winker.

[laughs]

And that is after-

Yeah

... we give a little grace.

But no, it's Jesse Winker, it's Craig Counsell, it's Jesse Winker.

It's [laughs]

I saw a TikTok come up in my feed the other day of someone, they were asking people their least favorite Mariners of all time.

And I went through the list and, you know, Jesse Winker was on there for a few people.

Sean Figgins, Joan Figgins, I don't remember his name, was on there for a couple people.

Forgot about, Robbie would be up there.

And so it's awful.

And, you know, obviously 21 has the unloading of all these guys that they're really high on, right? They move on from Castillo, they move on from Suarez, they move on from Winker.

And I have no issue with those moves in the vacuum.

But the guys you get back, there's no development, right? Novi Marte has been...