How does that transfer into being a leader?

I think being an athlete teaches you about goal setting.

How do you set big audacious goals that are, you know, that drive you to get up every morning, that drive you to keep going, right? Like your why, what are you trying to do and why are you trying to do it? You know, in sports, you learn how to win and you learn how to lose and you learn how to be successful and how to fail and how to get up every morning and keep going and take your gains or take your losses and keep marching on.

And also you learn, how hard work works, you know, and what really it takes, what kind of, you know, hard work it takes to do.

And so I do think about all of those things.

And to me, doing really, really hard physical things today still puts in perspective when I have to do really hard business things.

Right, right.

Pre-Rebel Girls at Hoodline.

Yeah,

you caught us in a time where it's actually been really sort of a challenge to be creative.

I think we're just like swallowed by kids and life changes and family.

And there's just a lot going on right now, health.

So being creative right now is a challenge.

we are trying to make baby steps towards opening up the vessel, so to speak, like to be able to, yeah, unearth something because of how sort of And I wouldn't, it's not stuck.

It's just like distracted or something.

Are there things you do to kind of bust through?

Yeah.

Um, yeah, and we just got to talking about, you know, making an, a record, and the idea of collaborating with her, and she was super into the idea.

And our label had suggested Dave Cobb, and since they had collaborated on several records, we thought, "Well, maybe this is a nice mix."

Yeah.

Yeah.

But we probably push ourselves through [laughs] a lot of things that- Yeah.

I mean, at the end of the day, I think being surrounded by your closest friends and, um, singing and making music and being with other people who want to receive it is so cathartic and-

Yeah.

We, we are very blessed.

We get a lot of letters.

We get a lot of love notes from girls, from their parents, from their grownups.

Um, you know, last week, I guess, um, I was in New York at the Business of Women Sports summit, and there were about a dozen sophomores in high school there who, um, came up to me and, and told me, were so excited to meet me and just told me how, um, how much Rebel Girls had shaped their lives and, like, how important it was to them.

And, uh, we were there filming with Pepper, and we, we, we said, "Hey, we could...

Would you like to film with us?" And they were so excited-

Mm-hmm.

You look good like a-

a-With all that sunshine on your face.

I let you sit there without talking.

You let me sit there in your shade.

Let me dream about the future.

All the plans we had to make.

I hope I'm wrong about the after.

[laughs]

So I'm imagining you watch things.

Well, I mean, we are doing the same set or similar to most nights.

And I, I do think that sometimes they really carry and travel and connect, and sometimes they don't.

Whether it's us who's actually not connecting to them and therefore you can't fool an audience, or whether it's just them not being interested.

Hm.

...

it was just a really, really cool time.

And you know, I don't know.