
Jess Dunks
Magic Rules Architect at Wizards of the Coast; manages rules for Magic: The Gathering
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Jul 3, 2026
#1360: Layers with Jess Dunks
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Mark RosewaterHOST
Uh, this one I know we're gonna touch lightly, but I just wanna talk about, um, what is a dependency?

Jess DunksGUEST
I, I actually d- briefly mentioned this slightly earlier, but, uh, a dependency is when one effect is, uh, dependent on another effect.

Jess DunksGUEST
So, um, uh, as I mentioned, sometimes when you apply things in timestamp order, you get a, you would get an unintuitive result, and if two things are in the same layer, which we'll talk about what that means in a second, but if two things are in the same layer, sometimes one effect can change what another one does.

Jess DunksGUEST
Well, let's say you have a creature that says, uh, all your creatures have trample on it, and then you have another effect that removes abilities from the first creature.

Jess DunksGUEST
Uh, if you were to apply those just strictly in the timestamp order, everything would get trample before this creature loses its ability, which doesn't make sense and is not intuitive.
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