Jeremy Strong

Like what Mikey Madison's doing is just at a different level and tone than what Jeremy Allen White is doing.

And then Zuckerberg, played by Jeremy Strong, who I usually adore Jeremy Strong, he's playing this like – Like a cartoon villain, which would work if this were a movie like primetime.

Like a primetime version of Mark Zuckerberg with Jeremy Strong.

Oh, fuck yeah.

That'd be so cool.

Yay.

Yeah, it just feels like I think there's a level of... sorkin's politics that just has permeated the story and how he's telling it where it's just like we just need a technocrat to change the way i do think he believes like if zuckerberg were just a different guy in charge then things would be fine you know

yeah that was kind of the vibe i was getting too because that was such a two-dimensional way of presenting him which is such a shame because yeah i really like jeremy strong and he's nailing the voice but like the Yeah, he is like Darth Vader whenever he's on screen.

Jeremy Allen White is Wall Street Journal reporter Jeff Horwitz, who contributed to the paper's reporting on the internal documents that Haugen shared.

Jeremy Strong is Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg this time.

Since you suggested you may have an answer, Josh, why don't we go ahead and go back to producer Sam's prompt? Maybe he read your review.

I have not at this point.

Yeah.

Right? Like, yes, it's interesting.

This film that's about the intersection of journalism and technology and social media and the havoc that this has undoubtedly caused, the problems that now seem insurmountable and what wasn't done about it and what we can or can't do about it, whether or not we can put the horse back in the barn, the intersection with politics, the... appreciation i have for and i always have for some of the sorkin style of writing which which does come through here in parts all of that makes it more or less enjoyable the other thing that does make it make it work mostly or some of the time is watching for me jeremy strong play zuckerberg and here's what i mean oh okay here's why because i do think he's got he's got a very tough task He does have to – he has to make Mark Zuckerberg seem human.

He has to bring depth to this character, to a character, I'll say, who it is very easy to portray like a character, to portray not human, to portray like a machine.

so transparent with my facial reactions to things it's a bad trait.

I had really high hopes for it because Jeremy Strong is in it right and he's brilliant in in everything or most things but tell me more and like Aaron Sorkin like the pedigree is there so what what went wrong?

so you'll probably remember that the social network which is like the story of facebook being founded was directed by david fincher who's just always a really great director and even though it only came out a few years after facebook was actually formed like it really did tell a really good and important story and like it really set the scene for some of the issues i think that we're going to be going forward with facebook the social network was written by aaron sorkin the social right the social reckoning was written and directed by aaron sorkin I personally don't really tend to like Aaron Sorkin as a director and I'm not massive fan of his kind of dialogue and his scripts depends on the piece of work that it is so I was interested to see what this would he do with this because this is not a sequel but it is of kind of following out of the story of what's been happening to facebook now meta over the past couple of uh kind of years maybe the past decade or so so this basically centers around frances haugen who you might remember a couple of years ago she had joined facebook's um civic integrity team in 2019 and she then a couple years later became a whistleblower from inside facebook and basically she wanted to prove and could effectively prove that Facebook leadership prioritized engagement and revenues, like making money and having people on the sites or on their apps above user safety.

So she's well worth it.

So I just basically think like if the two characters, two main characters are depicted or is a little bit incapable or not very... sure of themselves.

I felt that undermined these two people in real life who actually were very good at their jobs.

And then you have Jeremy Strong, who does a really good impression of Zuckerberg.

Too old to play him, does a good impression of him.

I

thought him and Jeremy Strong's conversations were really great.

And they're back and forth on like, you know, the fucking, we're the public square and no, you're not.

You got to censor it and take it down.

I feel like the whole thing was Jaden

leaning.

If you want me to go out of my way to now lean the other way and keep it balanced, I can say that even listening to the episode, I wasn't convinced that Jaden really liked Jeremy Strong that much.

Like, he was going, yeah, no, he's good.

But I do like because I care about like movies being good and stuff.

I really, really like when an actor takes like I like Jeremy Strong and I like Anne Hathaway.

Like I like these actors that take their craft and more seriously than people think is appropriate because you know he's doing a job for me so i sure i like the end result

i think sometimes it's just hard not to be like oh brother like when you're hearing i

don't want to hang with any of these people no that's true to be clear none of them we're not we're not really we're not turning it down but we're not really the sort of podcast that's like chasing getting to be in a room with these with jeremy or whatever like jeremy strong

i'm sorry i didn't think you were the right fit for mark zuckerberg and the social reckoning um please forgive me he'll be okay um but yeah because i mean like he is obviously wronged But then he also goes kind of nuts, you know, and then goes nuts because it's like when he gets his face back.

he could have just focused on like okay

Yes, chef, exactly.

And Jeremy Strong takes over for Jesse Eisenberg as Mark Zuckerberg.

People know Jeremy Strong probably as Kendall Roy from Succession.

It is a hell of a performance.

And again, oh, and I...

Right.

They all say Jeremy Strong is a method actor.

Yes.

To the point where Brian Cox hated him on the set of Succession.

Sorkin as a director is obviously not in the same league as David Fincher whatsoever.

And I much prefer Jesse Eisenberg's Zuck over Jeremy Strong's.

But as your sort of run-of-the-mill political thriller that would be, I don't know, straight to Netflix, it's fine.

I was like, okay, yeah, this is all right.