Okay, let's go.

Okay, so- Essentially, here's the deal.

Let me just give you a quick little background.

So I got an anonymous data dump.

I get them all the time.

I get about 900 emails a month that are actionable, like actual things.

I usually I can't verify these things, you know, their videos, you know, their videos and this sort of thing.

Right.

How do they catch these things if they're so fast and we can't like understand how they do what they do? How do they catch them?

Yeah, so there's a really great video that George and I obtained and released and everybody should look at it.

It's Syria 2021 UAPs was the title.

And what they're doing, they call it like passive capture a lot of the time, which is where these things just move through our great sensor systems.

So from satellite to, you know, fighter, war fighters that have like thermal sensors on their planes, something will come into view or kind of dogfight with the thing and they'll capture it just on their gun camera footage or sometimes really great.

It's called full motion video.

It's a layered system of optics.

Why put it on the whistleblowers? Why do they have to come out and risk everything for people who have nothing that they have to risk in terms of danger to themselves and just put out the information? Why does it have to be that you got to get somebody who's willing to throw their life away to say things that somebody else can say for free?

I, I can't really make the comparison fairly, but it, it almost seems that way, doesn't it?

Oh, yeah.

Certainly.

We, we all lived through that, and you and I very closely.

This is the greatest amount of attention that has come to the [laughs] UFO topic in a long time, and it's a cumulative thing that has occurred because of these unsolicited statements by people in positions to know.

It's a culmination effect building up to, and then all of a sudden, wow, we have new imagery.

But I wanna back up a second here.

But when these ships that we're talking about were buzzed in July 2019, was anti-drone technology employed? And did it work, or can you say?

Like what?

One of the things that got-- Two things really convinced me.

One of them was in the interior of the craft.

You had said to us it was very dark in there.

And while Bob is explaining to us the, this interior of the craft, and many times he kept repeating, "It was really dark in there." Even though there were halogen lights in there.

Right.

And so at a certain point, he says, "As I'm crawling in, there's, like, these extension cords," and I remember going, "Extension cords?" Like, I, it then hadn't computed, and he's like, "Yeah, they had lights in there." And I'm thinking, "It's true." I mean, w- there, there's no light switch inside this big thi...

Okay.

And it, again, it's world-dominating technology.

I mean, I, I have to say in having worked with him and having, you know, it inadvertently there's no way that myself or people on my team weren't trying to dig deeper and fi- maybe there's a pro- maybe there's gonna be a gap.

Maybe we'll find something wrong with the story.

'Cause we're, we went, we went very deep.

We had to build S4.

We had to build the sport model, and There were things that happened over the years, things that he had said to us before we had built it, that there's no way he could have known because there was physicalities, real things that we built.

When you build something in a 3D environment, you're actually building a real world.

Okay.

And a- again, it's world-dominating technology.

I mean, I, I have to say in having worked with him and having...

You know, it inadvertently there's no way that myself or people on my team weren't trying to dig deeper in fr- maybe there's a pro- maybe there's gonna be a gap, maybe we'll find something wrong with the story.

'Cause we're, we went, we went very deep.

We had to build S4, we had to build the sport model, and there were things that happened over the years, things that he had said to us before we had built it, that there's no way he could have known, because there was physicalities, real things that we built.

When you build something in a 3D environment, you're actually building a real world.

It's got light bounce and refractions like the real world.

Okay.

Knapp'Cause George and John had been, you know, friends for, forever and ever.

Mm-hmm.

'Cause everything had stalled when I got there, and it was...

I, I think they were just in a desperate move to make some progress.

Then we have to look at it not just as a propulsion system or some type of cool weapon, but how is it affecting time? Yeah.

And a- again, it's world-dominating technology.

I mean, I, I have to say in having worked with him and having, you know, it inadvertently there's no way that myself or people on my team weren't trying to dig deeper and fi- maybe there's a pro- maybe there's gonna be a gap, maybe we'll find something wrong with the story.

21 plus.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.Right.

Uh, just basically Matthew Brown was figuring who he could trust Just, just in one or two sentences, what, what did Matthew find? Very little.

It was very small, and he's such a patriotic dude- Mm-hmm ... and he's such a thinker, but what he found was a rep- was it a report or what was the, a- Like a PowerPoint ... like a briefing.

Yeah.

Yeah, a briefing on something they were calling Immaculate Constellation.

And because he, he was tasked at the time with sorting and filing and cleaning up, basically, a digital archive, he's like, "What the fuck is this?" [laughs] It's, like, talking about UFOs, and it's talking about us watching the Russians have a rendezvous with a known, possibly a known m- you know, uh, manifestation of a craft over sea.

Wow.

Here is investigative filmmaker Jeremy Corbell.

The story of Area 51, it exploded around the world.

The reason you know about Area 51 is because Bob Lazar and George Knapp on the news, 1989, made it a household name.

That's the reason.

All of that came from Bob Lazar.

Talk to us about that part of your work.

Sure.

Yeah.

So, so first of all, George and I, we work together on a daily basis.

We've been doing so for a long time.

The cool thing is, is I've developed over the years, my, my own sources, my own methods and my own contacts.

So we can have a case that we look at together and he can, you know, go on his path and everything that he's developed over the years.

And again, maybe I'm just too cynical.

Where are we at with the whistleblower process, given the folks you've managed to bring forward, but also the reaction to those guys?

Don't be patient.

Be aggressive.

Be active.

Be participatory.

This is the problem.

The problem is people sitting back and saying, "My voice doesn't matter." The only reason all this is happening is because your voice does matter.

What do you think happens next? This was a listener question that I liked.

But he also touched on the other issues of spying on journalists and whistleblowers, and Corbell had some very interesting things to say about that.

I didn't know that that was public information yet, that the CIA was spying directly on Tulsi.

That happens to be fact and verifiable fact.

I think what we heard, you know, was from a CIA agent under oath in Congress saying that the whistleblowers were being spied through under DIG, the Director's Initiative, under ODNI.

What you didn't quite hear was the specifics of that spying, because it goes way beyond spying.

They admitted it.

The CIA themselves admitted they were spying on the whistleblowers who came in for UAP.

It's about four and a half minutes long, but you're gonna enjoy it.

That I had cause to want to bullet test Lazar, and then meeting him was the first step to me saying, "Okay, this guy is not a liar, but I need to really find out."

Legend has it that in 1943 the Navy tried to teleport a ship in what's known as the Philadelphia Experiment, and it worked, sorta.

It disappeared, reappeared, and then half the crew got atomically fused into the ship's walls.

Others just vanished.

No one was where they were supposed to be.

Talk about a breakdown in communication.

You know what that sounds like? Your team before you had Quo.

All right.

Are you happy with the product that he came up with in the end when you ultimately trusted him to be able to do this? What do you think?

Let me correct you twice and then add to it, okay? So trust is earned every single day continuously.

Yes, obviously I trust Michael Lazofsky with giving him, you said vintage, I say archive.

about 20 years of footage of investigations and things that I never showed anybody, but I didn't give him everything.

I gave him just the stuff that I promised that I, you know, if I promised I would never put something out, I never would.

So he has seen more footage of my life than I've seen.

Sure.

I'm

Okay.

Not like this.

I saw something in the sky, and it looked like a Silver Surfer, like from a cartoon.

And naively, and I don't know what year it is, but everybody can go look at the video.

It's probably one of the first videos I ever put on YouTube.

And I asked people, "What is this?" Like, you can see, I'm just asking, "What is this?" I'm not saying, "That's a UFO." I'm like, "What is it?" Immediately that night, Bill Nye the Science Guy goes on television and says, "Oh, you know, they probably superimposed brine shrimp onto the film." I go to Google.

I... "What the fuck is a brine shrimp?" Sea-monkey.

Mm-hmm.

Was there anything, Jeremy, that you saw there that sort of knocked your socks off a little bit, some of the historic stuff in particular?

Yeah, it's tectonic.

People will start to understand what George is doing and only he can do it.

He and Matt are the only people on planet Earth that can do this.

And basically what I noticed with Mystery Wire is that when you do a news report, as a layman, I'm not a news guy, you get a 12-second, maybe a minute bite from somebody.

But George has been deep into this topic, recording long-form interviews with Matt.

George has been at this, what, 30-something years on the UFO topic since 1989.

He says, outside of any government-confirmed UFO sighting encounter, what is your favorite, if you can classify it this way, your favorite UFO event that you feel that you can adequately back up by witness testimony?

But what's the guy like in

person? Well, I just want to back up before what you said.

Let me put a highlight on that.

So the Bob Lazar interview with Joe, I mean, Joe really wanted to know, as I did when I was 13 years old, you know, is George and Bob, are they all making this up or is this real? uh joe wanted to know the bob lazar episode is within the top 12 ever in the history of the joe rogan podcast with over 11 million views the the audience listening is at least double that from what i understand so we're talking about a pop culture understanding a mass viewing a conversation that is being open to the general public In light of what we've learned because of George's reporting starting in 1989, all the way up through the release by the New York Times, hey, UFOs are real.

Our military studies them.

So the power of, say, being the number one podcast listened to and downloaded on planet Earth, it doesn't happen with everyone, but that's huge, man.

And that happened with the Lazar one.

Are you sure it's not a

And so, uh, given all that, uh, could you please landscape for us, uh, what is happening right now when it comes to the intersection of the federal government and disclosures, uh, of UAPs?

UAPs?Right.

I mean, so if people have been paying attention, it's a historic time.

There's been a fight for a long time to get people to be able to testify under oath and, and whistleblowers to say what they've seen, what they know.

It, it is clear now with this document dump, it was clear before, but now to the average American, it is clear that there has been a cover-up, that there are machines that fly with impunity in our restricted airspace, outpace, outmaneuver, and outperform anything that we have, and this has been going on a long time.

And for, you know, 75, 80 years, the government's saying, "Nothing to see here.

Move on." All of a sudden we see all these documents that are, you know, contradictory to that.

Uh, what, what is, what is this, uh, uh, documentary movie about?

Am I talking about craft? Am I talking about life? Am I talking about intelligence? Am I talking about signals? I don't even know what I'm talking about yet.

There's a movie.

Uh, you and I talked about it, Sleeping Dog.

This kid followed my work for, you know, a, a couple years.

It was supposed to be that I just gave him a bunch of my footage.

He made some UFO movies.

Um, but he saw what was going on.

What's it like to be in a movie?

But, uh, before we do, um, what stands out to you the most from this file dump?

In my perspective, it's, it is a little bit, it, it's surreal to me.

It's a twilight zone.

You know, George and I, we've been giving the Pentagon and the DOW a nudge to release this stuff for a long time, trying to provoke a, a proper response from government about transparency on UAP.

We've been doing it a long time, as you know, Harvey.

And, um, you know, I, I think that's, it's coincidental that today, uh, is the first drop and when it's the premier of my film [laughs] Sleeping Dog, which is really born out of this frustration that the government wasn't releasing proper information.

I haven't gone through the whole archive.

So the image is from Apollo 17, the last lunar landing mission, and it shows, um, you can see the shadow of the lu- the landing craft, and then in the distance, like in the sky, there are three dots, um, that I, I don't know what it is, but I can imagine if I were one of the astronauts standing on the moon that day, and suddenly there's something that appears to be a, a, a spacecraft, uh, floating above the moon, I would freak out.

Let's take a look at this, and as we're looking at it, so just talk me through what we're looking at here.

Yeah.

So let me just explain to you real quick.

I'll walk you through it.

What you're seeing looks like Pong, the video game.

You see three lights.

What I've actually done, Pierce, with my, with my mentor in journalism, George Knapp, is we've released 15 assets over the last number of years that have come to us to educate the American public on what thermal footage is.

What does the government say is there, and how much veracity has been genuinely established about the whole 1947 Roswell crash, and so on, the supposed transportation to Area 51 for reverse engineering of aliens, and so on? How much of any of this has been verified at all?

Yeah

... we wanna believe something, and it, it's crazy to me.

Even George Knapp's email was in the Epstein files because he was on a thread by this crazy guy that sent all this stuff in communication to Epstein.

And so he was one of the 50 people on that email chain.

I mean, it's, it's insane the amount of data, but I have a theory about this.

It, it's like flooding the zone.

Do you believe that everything in those files is legitimate, or do you think they flooded the zone with so much nonsense to take away-

... footage.

Jeremy, why don't you start since you deal with them quite a bit?

Yeah, the intelligence agencies and the keepers of the UFO secret should fear Congress because Congress is fired up.

They're no-nonsense.

People like Representative Luna, Representative Burchett, Representative Burlison, they're just the three that are public, that you know about.

There's a lot of people also in Senate that are working to get this information forward, and no one's gonna relent.

The more that they're stonewalled, the more angry they get, and I am happy about their anger.

So I, I really do feel like as long as we keep pushing and as long as people like that keep pushing, then we're gonna squeeze as much as we can out of our government.

Jeremy, what do you think?

Jeremy? Thought?

Um, I don't have a thought on that.

I, I don't know what happened with that.

I w- as you guys are talking, I'm thinking about even in conflict, we've had these kind of agreements that have, um, been kind of beyond the conflict.

So during the Cold War, I filmed with a bunch of, uh, guys that were working on the low nuclear reaction, which I think, at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory and that kinda thing, and so scientists that were working on nuclear technology, efficient technology, they had a phone in their lab directly, multiple have told me this, that connected them to their counterparts in Russia during the Cold War.

So there was this kind of, like, agreement that we were aligned about something that they were working on, even during an outward-facing problem.

So I think the UFO thing, as you guys are talking, that there's gotta be some agreement, you know, between our government and other governments that this is just not something that we're gonna disclose to our public.

Yeah.

Yes

... enroll people and get them on...

So I was just kind of ringing the bell or saying the quiet part out loud, which is that I have been approached by intelligence agents.

A lot of other people I know have been as well.

That it was a whisper campaign that I was calling absolute bullshit on, that it was a way to get people to feel like they're part of a secret club.

You should really listen up and get behind me.

A- and that's kinda like what I, what I heard, was like, I call it word on the wash.

Right