Jeremy Hunt

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And I think also realizing that sometimes working with older people in Parliament, they will jump to assumptions about you or conduct themselves in a way which is, like, not ideal, but once you've broken through, they actually have a deeper respect for you than they otherwise would.

I mean, I remember when I was first elected, I was on the Treasury Select Committee when Jeremy Hunt was chancellor, and I remember I asked him, uh, some question, and he came back and he, like, prefaced his answer by saying, "And can I just say, that is exactly the, the right way to ask a question like that." And, uh, like, he got called out by somebody else who was on the committee for being patronizing, and I was kinda like, "Well, I don't think he was trying to be patronizing.

I think he was actually just, like, saw a, a younger colleague getting stuck into a job and wanted to, like, essentially say, like, 'You, you did well doing that.'" I mean, like, so people say things the wrong way.

People sometimes, uh, make assumptions about you.

I do think that more often than not, colleagues, with a few kind of, like, outliers where people have maybe said things that have, like, made my eyebrows go up, have treated me with, like, dignity and with respect.

And, like, I think we expect that in both directions, and I kinda wonder whether sometimes that kinda feeling is overblown almost of young people being kind of, um, I don't know, singled out exactly for who they are.

The anecdote you just told us about with Jeremy Hunt-

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Whatever.

Well, I can't get my head around, and maybe you can help me here, because I listened to Jeremy Hunt, his analysis, why they always get on failed chancellors off the back of other chancellors' efforts, I don't know.

His analysis of why it's so expensive for the UK to borrow relative to other nations.

So, We've borrowed a lot, but our borrowing costs more than any other OECD country's borrowing.

part of it is

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and i think i know i didn't hear the interview jeremy hunt but um most people have acknowledged i think even andrew griffith the new shadow chancellor acknowledged yes part of it is due to uh world conditions but there has to be a reason why our borrowing costs are much higher than anybody else's our borrowing costs are now way above what they were after the Liz Trust mini budget which if you remember that was why the whole thing fell apart because the guilt cost went up to I think it was 4.86 percent something like that and now they're at 5.2 percent.

They've never come back down have they? Well they have they did go back down they went back to sort of four point something but But and this isn't just since Andy Burnham has been prime minister.