Jenny Wilkinson

Sorry, I knew that there were nine members.

What I didn't know was that one of those members is Jenny Wilkinson.

Jenny

is the secretary of the Federal Treasury Department.

So the reality is that the government would not want a number or numbers in the budget that would undercut that view that the change is modest.

Now, of course, that's false because Jenny Wilkinson, the Treasury Secretary, days after the budget gave a speech where she described these tax changes as the most significant in a quarter of a century.

But the political imperative, particularly for rents, bearing in mind that Paul Keating had to

reinstate

And the modern Treasury, I don't know whether they provided that advice, but...

I'm assuming they didn't because the government wanted to take this action anyway.

And let's remember that Jenny Wilkinson and Treasury last year modelled the effect of net zero on the economy and did not admit that it would cost a trillion dollars or bring down growth and productivity.

It actually modelled an increase.