Jennifer Pahlka

And so that started this whole rabbit hole into what eventually became state capacity for me.

At the time, obviously, I had no idea what it was, so I was just kinda like, "What are these problems?" And Googling government efficiency, and then you find things like Jen Pahlka's Recoding America.

It starts to put these, you know, thoughts into real terms and, and words, and then you find the think tanks, and you actually get what's going on.

But having that private sector background, I kept thinking to myself, "I don't really understand who's in this ecosystem.

Uh, the first two are ones you're, uh, doubtless familiar with.

One is Jennifer Pahlka's Recoding America.

I think she is the most insightful, in a way, critic of what's wrong with the American bureaucracy, but she does it from a sympathetic standpoint.

She understands why bureaucracy and government are necessary and how, you know, it could actually be reformed to do things better.