So I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about rage and conflict.

Yeah.

Well, first allow me to say that I think that rage is completely natural and it's our right.

And there is nothing more terrifying and violent than having someone be in a highly enraged state and them not being in relationship to their own intensity and their own rage and capacity.

And so what I've been explaining to people lately is that if we can see us and our rage as like human and horse relationship, That would be one of the best metaphors I've been able to come up with, meaning that it doesn't really work when we're trying to own an animal, right? But rather what, you know, ideally a human is feeding the horse, bringing hay to it, right? Brushing it.

Yeah, like making sure that it has horseshoes that are not caked up and gross and making sure a vet tends to the horse, right? And also making sure the horse has space too.

I imagine trot, run.

You know,

So as we think about homecoming, can you talk to us about how did you decolonize your nervous system or probably an ongoing process? How do you continue to decolonize your nervous system?

I think that that is the question.

That's a beautiful question.

For me, that looks like A, acknowledging that my nervous system is also comprised of lots of bits, pieces, energies, biological changes, transmissions that also existed before me.

That means me acknowledging and having acknowledged that oftentimes the places and spaces where my mother may have felt overwhelmed, anxious, sad, disconnected at any points when I was in vitro, and as well as when I was a child, There is a place and a space where that is also within me, the fascia, within my neurological systems, within my frontal cortex and my amygdala.

And without geeking out, this basically means that I can't be separated.

from that which has been experienced prior to me.

But the capacity to show up through that.

Dr. Mullin, your work on decolonizing therapy, maybe you can speak with us a little bit about your own journey and how you got to this point and your connection to Dr. Jaber's book.

Yes, absolutely.

One of the first things I'm thinking as we're talking is I can feel my body.

I just wanna name my truth in the moment.

I can feel my body and my heart pulse.

I can feel that what we're talking about is more than just a mental issue or an emotional issue, but a full body experience, and that is what I believe occupation, what racial trauma, what systemic gaslighting does.

I would say as a multiracial Black woman who was raised in the States, my understanding of violence is shaped not only by the history of what is US or Turtle Island, but of my family's histories, of histories of forced migration, of letting go of our own ancestral practices and ancestral intelligences, right? And really, in some ways, this need to become a little bit more, quote, unquote, "professional, refined, streamlined, white." And so my family's histories and histories of many communities who've lived within dehumanization, racism, displacement, and the long afterlife of colonization, which is alive and well, that those histories are not the same as the Palestinian experience, and I would never claim that they are.

Dr. Jen?