Yes, exactly.

So, um, but the, yeah, there's just such a need.

I think, um, it's always been a question for me.

And as, especially as a woman who has experienced called a ministry as a kid, um, to understand what it means for the women to be at the empty tomb and to be the first witnesses and to articulate that well and effectively.

And in my journey and in my tradition, I had really observed the absence of Mary Magdalene.

So even in a church that did celebrate the women of the Bible, I don't think people knew really what to do with Mary Magdalene and so would kind of gravitate towards other examples over her or just kind of glom her into the group of women and not really see her distinctive story either.

So that was part of it.

What do you make of that scene?