I had

one of my professors who has just shaped so much of my work, Ian Proven at Regent College.

He would say, if you're struggling with something, It gives you an opportunity to offer something else.

Right.

So rather than just shut down and I don't like that, you know, it's like, OK, so why don't I like that? And is there something that I might be able to offer? So thinking about this image of seed.

And of course, I had to use a German word, cairn, because the center of the Old Testament has kind of been part of the Old Testament theology conversation.

From the beginning and how it doesn't quite work, you know, trying to find a theme or the center.

and like, but