So that's also something that I love doing.

I guess I'll chime in here if that's okay.

I'd like to speak directly to those who are listening who are brand new to collaborations because that was me just a few months ago until I decided that I was going to make collaboration my number one growth strategy for 2026.

And so I started the year.

By the way, I'm a podcast host as well as a podcast guest.

And I coach women through midlife reinvention programs.

But what I started with in the beginning of this year is only 45 email subscribers.

maybe types of collabs that didn't work for you? Or how do you even know what type best fits?