Jennifer Abruzzo

Hm.

So the, uh, National Labor Relations General Counsel, Jennifer Abruzzo, under Biden, she came in and she issued a memo saying, uh, "They're statutory employees, and I invite these..." So to...

And so there were, there were pending cases, um, on that joint employer theory, and then once the house settlement was, was signed, then those, they, they dis- they withdrew the cases.

And, you know, and so everyone is bound by this, but, but it hasn't stopped the lawsuits.

the LSU suit, but if they, if they want to assert a, a right to associate and set schedules and, and things like that, why shouldn't they be considered employers?

No, I think, and, and that's where it was going when under Biden, under the, when the NLRB-

Abruzzo, yeah

... uh, under Abruzzo and, and, um, USC, and, you know, there were unfair labor practice, so I think that's still a viable theor- theory.

I think for us, like when you and I talked four and a half years ago, I'll just be honest, we were still trying to figure out what's exactly happening here.

Because you had NIL become live, but then maybe two months later, you have Jennifer Abruzzo, the general counsel of the NLRB, say college athletes are employees with collective bargaining rights.

So this happens a mere three months after I found the Players Association.

And of course, then that has to...

That is sports-specific, conference-centric collective bargaining.

And I imagine part of the conference aspect of it is that it's more powerful if you have more schools involved and if you can have an entire conference, but also... possibly avoids the NLRA issue where the employees of the public, sorry, the athletes at the public schools might not be able to unionize and might depend on their state law.

And so this would give you the equivalent of what Jennifer Abruzzo talked about in terms of the joint employer theory, but that the conference would be the employer, they're private, so everybody who plays in that conference can unionize.

Is that part of the strategy or is that...