But what did you see about the ban from where you're based in the States? What was the reaction? What kind of coverage did you read about it?

I actually haven't read a lot of reactions to the ban other than, you know, tech insiders and my own echo chamber of people who focus on this.

I do want to share, you know, when we were preparing for this episode, you mentioned the sort of differing reactions of, like, folks who are professionals and experts in this space in different ways, and then parents and these sort of, like, these groups kind of having different narratives.

And so I am both a veteran of this space as well as a parent.

My child's eight.

I'm also an elected school board member, which means...

In the US, it's the sort of elected governance board over public school districts, which the reason this is relevant is that it has to do with tech device policies in school and curricula and things like that.

Talk us through, again, a lot has happened about Anthropic since last Friday, but give us a kind of overview of where we're at with that story.