So how far back does that relationship go?

It's funny, the crossover with songwriting camps and Jeremy and I is pretty, it's a lot.

So Jazza and I met at the DAG sheep station.

Both of us in mentoring positions there.

And the interesting thing is, is like for years before he met me, he had people telling him, oh, have you ever worked with Jen Mize? You should probably work with Jen Mize.

I think you guys would get on and maybe write great songs together.

You stylistically... you know, pretty compatible.

So when you were thinking about this second album, was that when you actually started to write songs for it or was it more that these songs started to exist and you thought, okay, it's time to now think about a second album?

Did you write that yourself or was it a co-write?

It was a co-write with one of the members of our band, Zach Watson, who plays bass on this record.

Basically, with this new album, I really wanted to incorporate members of the band's In the songwriting process on our first record, I did work with a couple of members of the band, my two guitarists, Jeremy Edwards and Mitch Power, on co-writing some songs.

And not every song, though, probably about half the record with Jeremy and one song with Mitch.

And then this record, I really wanted it to be a band record.

So I really worked with the boys in the band to co-write some songs.

So we've got co-writes from Zach Watson on the record, Jeremy Edwards.

Okay.