Jeffrey Martin

Second turning.

Now there's a modern researcher named Jeffrey Martin who wrote a book called The Finders, who guess my sounds not off on that who wrote a book called the finders does research on people who are having awakening experiences he calls it persistent non symbolic experience he also calls a fundamental well-being and he it's interesting because his research shows the same pattern he calls them locations location one is kind of like can you listen without an opinion People have this experience, but they have no, it's just like, just like out there.

They're not really aware, but they're having it in some way or another.

And that aha is like, oh yeah.

I'm just trying to focus back on like the natural state, meaning before we really started getting deep into these conversations a couple of years ago, I had an organic practice experience and then.

when we came into contact with, say, Jeffrey Martin's work and understanding a vernacular and a system behind to help describe and understand the experience a little bit.

I think that was useful in understanding the experience.

And I do think that going down some of that more intellectual stuff sort of distracted me a little bit from the organic.

And still, because he's cultivated a certain type of both attitude and perception and visceral somatic embodied experience, he can experience happiness independent of conditions.

And then you look at other programs like the work of Dr. Jeffrey Martin in 45 Days to Awakening, which it delivers, it delivered.

People, when I was taking that program, they kept joking with me.

They would be like, oh, come back to me in 20, 25 days.