Jeffrey Alexander Sterling

At the same time, you weren't just sitting on your hands.

There were other cases that were coming up, not just mine, but people like Jeffrey Sterling, Chelsea Manning, later on Reality Winner, and there were others.

Tell us about that.

And w- was it you that reached out to whistleblowers? Did whistleblowers come to you?

So in a number of cases I was also consulting with defense counsel because I realized they were dusting off this archaic World War I law to go after n- whistleblowers.

Not to go after spies or traitors or saboteurs, but to go after whistleblowers.

And I saw them, I saw this pattern emerging with Tom Drake's case, but then- With Stephen Kim and Jeffrey Sterling and you.

And then after that, it continued.