Jeff Raider

And I think it might, it probably depends.

Uh, but what I think I did, so following on from that, is the, his name is Jeff, uh, that we're talking about who owns Harry's, Jeff Raider, who also owns Warby Parker, and he owns Mammoth Brands that have like a ton of other brands as well.

It's like a multi-- It's huge, right? So he owns Warby Parker, owns, uh, Harry's, and like a ton of other stuff, and he, they interviewed him, and they had the operators, you know, the operators podcast.

They had like Sean Frank and people like that, it, like asking him questions.