Jeff Moss

She was working Defcon Press for many years.

That's how I ended up getting the interview with actually Death Veggie and Jeff Moss, which has then led to many other interviews.

Melanie was like the seed that started so many of these other things.

And so I have so much to thank Melanie for.

Okay, nice.

Jeff Moss and I used to work at Secure Computing Corporation, and people look at this, the immensity of Black Hat, and I said, first year, one track, one day, one vendor, Secure Computing Corporation.

And now, of course, today, everything is different.

So I'm out here enjoying a chance to spend time with you.