Jeff Little

Where did that come from, and what does winning mean to you?

Well, so many years ago, when I would have a very— Um, very limited bio, you know, it's like Jeff little pastor, you know, I've primarily been a local church pastor.

And when they would, when they would say, you know, you know, put in there, you're, you're married, your family, your church.

And then I had this little phrase, it was on our website.