Jeff Greenberg

He had his plan.

He wanted to bring in Jeff Greenberg who turned it down and that was a surprise to them.

And fine, but they waited.

They waited because they wanted the Tigers guys in the process.

They waited until after the MLB trade deadline and then You know, Jeff Greenberg said no to the job and they didn't have a backup plan.

And the whole time, Sean Horkoff should have been able to be working on this.

And that's another thing where it's like both Edmondson and Larkin are justified in being frustrated by that.

I have a friend who works in baseball, and I was talking to him a week and a half ago, and he was talking about how...

Is it Jeff Greenberg? No, it's not.

Hockey, I don't think I could pick out who the great players are if I just watched a game.

And I was like, you'd pick out this one guy.

So like Scott Harris is the president of baseball operation for the Tigers.

No one talks about Jeff Greenberg being the GM, like the president of hockey operations will be the person that is calling the shots and running the ship.

So like different title that is noteworthy, but like that changes literally nothing in terms of like how we talk about it.

when you're hiring a president of hockey operations outside of the title being higher it comes with a pay bump too right like you generally pay that's how they coach them yeah yeah you pay more than gms uh and here's the excerpt from max's article and go check out max's stuff with the athletic and the opportunity you get uh illich said he's looking for a president of hockey operations for the red wings and that he will leave it up to that individual as to whether or not or when they would like to add a general manager pointing back to how it went with the detroit tigers when illich hired scott harris as president of baseball operations illich said that he is looking for an innovative difference maker to lead the franchise and when when asked if it was important for the person to be well-versed analytics illich said he wouldn't overemphasize it i wouldn't underemphasize it it is certainly a trait i think is important in a modern day nhl hockey it's Just

He went from wanting to be here to now it doesn't sound like he wants to be here anymore.

And you get a report from David Pagnotta telling you why Jeff Greenberg, who I thought was going to be the guy.

I said that from the very beginning.

At least it makes me feel good.

I, I was stunned.

Jeff in a Truck says, "I've moved on with my Western Conference team, Vegas.

Go Knights."

You do not get to have a Western Conference team, sir.

Simon Edvinson at least now is on the right side of the Atlantic, but he's somewhere on the East Coast setting up camp to train with a trainer, and then-

He went from wanting to be here to now it doesn't sound like he wants to be here anymore

... and you get a report from David Pagnotta telling you why Jeff Greenberg, who I thought was going to be the guy, I said that from the very beginning, at least it makes me feel good, he was the guy.

He received an offer to move his desk, like Milton in Office Space, down the hall, I want my streamlined stapler, and be the Red Wings GM in September, but declined it because what was described as, quote, "lack of full autonomy to do the job." You still work for the same people down the hall.

And that brings me to the final point before we sign off here on the PFH podcast, which is something that I probably should've mentioned in episode 44, something that we did not get to, or I just frankly did not put on the docket.

But it was kind of intimated, kind of discussed by a number of insiders or old-timey hockey people that there may have been a key member of the Detroit Red Wings front office structure whose power would have been marginalized after Jeff Greenberg, the number one candidate for so long for this GM position, was not hired.

It was reported by, I believe, Frank Seravalli, that the reason that he did not come aboard, and it was either Seravalli or Pagnotta, I don't remember who, so forgive me for the errant, uh, accreditation for that quote.

But it was said that Greenberg would not get full autonomy to make hockey ops decisions the way that he wanted to.

You know, fair point.

I, I totally buy that.

I totally buy that Chris Ilitch does not want to, uh, upset the apple cart too much, that he was hiring Jeff Greenberg on as a guy who can kind of just be a yes man.

He's not a hockey guy in the sense that some of the other candidates would have been a hockey guy.

He went from wanting to be here to now it doesn't sound like he wants to be here anymore

... and you get a report from David Pagnotta telling you why Jeff Greenberg, who I thought was going to be the guy, I said that from the very beginning, at least it makes me feel good, he was the guy.

He received an offer to move his desk, like Milton in Office Space, down the hall, 'I want my streamlined stapler,' and be the Red Wings [chuckles] GM in September, but declined it because what was described as, quote, "lack of full autonomy to do the job." You still work for the same people down the hall.

Like, [chuckles] it's like, "Ah, I gotta go down to shipping and receiving." So I, I don't know how to feel about it.

Straight to the people.

Talking DeBrincat, all things Wings too.

I mean, the report from Pagnotta, Jeff Greenberg was set to be the guy and then wasn't gonna be given the keys, said, "I'll stay down the hall with the Tigers." You've got the interim GM.

Can't get Edmonson signed, can't get Larkin traded, won't trade him, won't do it, don't know, but DeBrincat signs.