Jean Nouvel

And the second one is a glass factory that was built in the 1960s in post-independence Ghana, at a time when the Pan-Africanist dream was at its height, and this idea of like building this new future.

And this factory went on for many years, and in 19- uh, from 1966 until the early 2000s when it was decommissioned, and the idea was to harvest the remnants, the carcass of it, and then bring it to Paris to build this space, this pavilion, an architecture within Jean Nouvel's new architecture, in order for the public to be able to reflect upon this, uh, this question of like what it means, the fruits, in a different way.

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And indeed, that, uh, piece you mention o- of the glass bottles, it's called Things Fall Apart, and there is a certain sense of fragility to it.

And of course, they were talking about the Louvre Abu Dhabi, and that is just the most extraordinary building.

Chief designer there, Jean Nouvel, and he was describing the roof.

I don't know if you've been there, but it's this beautiful kind of filigree.

It's just...

Uh, these were immigrant workers on job sites in places like Abu Dhabi.

Um, there was a whole history, um, of, of, of how workers were coming from places like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, all over, and then coming to work on these amazing projects for Jean Nouvel or Frank Gehry or whomever.

Um, and Gulf Labor was saying, "But, you know, people are dying on the job sites.

They're living in untenable conditions." But it was interesting because we weren't hearing about any of this in the architectural press.