Jay Williams

Um, but like it, it really, like it really worked.

those are the two mentors and then years later there were different musicians like Jay Williams who plays for everybody of course Aaron Spears of course Tim Steele of course Buggy Edwards of course Churchill Wood like it was just a bunch of like direct guys and then I grew up essentially with a bunch of Killers.

I hate to use that word, but you're talking about Mike Reed.

You're talking about Jamal Moore.

Um, I've known, shout out to Joe.

I've known about Joe.

Cause I started going to NAMM show, maybe like 2000, uh, 12 2011 12 somewhere in there and um was going with the big homie jay williams uh if you don't know who jay williams is you should know he's he's he's worked with everybody everybody literally everybody and he's one of the most selfless musicians in this game he plays with chaka khan right now it's like he's just he's just one of the he's one of the guys but to know him from home And then to come to Nam's show and see people breaking their neck to say hello to him.

Sure.