And where are you seeing that need for opportunity and improvement?

Yeah, all right.

Well, Tammy, I'll start by saying that it is so encouraging to see more and more Christian leaders recognizing the importance of workplace culture and the well-being of their staff because it matters to God, right? According to 1 Peter 5, 2, which says, "...be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care." And it also matters for the accomplishment of an organization's mission.

Research shows that flourishing, engaged employees are 33% more productive than those who are unengaged.

Earlier this year, Tammy, Best Christian Workplaces published our annual what we call State of the Christian Workplace Report.

And it highlighted our research findings for 2025.

And the good news is that across 441 organizations, 61% of surveyed employees reported being engaged in their roles.

So considering all that you're learning, what is the top way that you would want to encourage leaders to unlock their team's potential today?

How do leaders unintentionally, no leaders intentionally out there, let me suppress this life-giving work, but what is happening with leaders when they're not recognizing that their leadership is unintentionally draining the meaning out of the work of their people?

Yeah, yeah.

Making sure we're clear that virtually no leaders come to work trying to think of ways to drain the life out of their people, right? Of course, we don't.

We care about our people.

But at the same time, none of us are perfect, and nor do we always realize the impact on our staff of some of the things that we say or that we do.

And, of course, I'm not exempt from this either.

Rob, as you know, we're all a work in progress.

What's an example you've seen or you'd like to share of how actually moving someone into the right seat changed everything for that person and for the organization?