Um, you know, tell me a little bit about kind of how you've evolved some of Bob's more popular patterns, uh, in your own way.

Uh, man, it's hard to answer without sounding vain.

Um, it's all pretty stream of consciousness, you know.

Like, I took a lot of things that David Nelson kind of played with and showed me, um, he got from a guy named Paul Miller, um, who was using a lot of, like, feathers, whether it be ostrich, um, or peacock, and making large patterns using the same techniques you'd find in salmon flies, but just using larger, larger animals, right? Um, so for me, I was always enamored with, with anything classic, you know.

Um, I'm still that way and I like old, I like old things, and I think anything that's old will be new again, um, at some point.

So, you know, uh, in the hollows or the beast fly, you know, I took-Where Bob would take the mono and obviously do hollows down the, down the mono.

Um, I wanted to work ostrich in, and I was tying ostrich in as I went.

Mm-hmm

What are some of the things you're watching?

So I think this year that's a more relevant discussion than anything, Scott.

We've had with the new administration coming in in Washington, we've had some new policy initiatives that have been, I'll say, partially introduced.

And I think that's creating a lot of tension in the system for healthcare providers.

So we, we could be fans of what the Trump administration is doing or we could be opposed to it.

What matters right now is there's a lot of uncertainty.

And this comes at a pivotal time in where a- an investment in tech for a lot of healthcare systems.

Uh, are some of those systems sort of stuck, or what do you see there?