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single-handedly.

I think that's the big power move that they're going for and why they're – maybe looking at this from like oh it's not right and we're suing you but it's also like we're investing i don't know that that's validation of the idea i think it's more like we want to have an influence and power over what's going to happen

here i find it interesting because really this conversation sort of has existed a long time uh even you know even before ai came out there's always lawsuits or arguments discussions going on is how much of this or this song did this artist take from me? Uh, you know, is that, is that their own creation or did they steal? Um, and so, you know, in, on one, on one hand, you know, we're, we're always interacting with, with each other.

We all influence each other.

Uh, you know, outside of AI.

I remember having a conversation with a friend on the phone one day, and then next thing I know, he's got a song coming out.

I'm like, I know exactly where that song came from, because I said that on the phone, and now he has a song about it.

But on the other hand, AI clearly isn't creating, you know, it learns, right? It's picking up direct information from, from artists, uh, and putting it together.

I dig a lot of the stuff you're putting down, and I'm with you.

And now they actually have the means to be able to communicate it and articulate it in a way that wouldn't have been possible before.

I just want to say one thing.

I do think when you listen, at least for me, when I listen to AI music, fully AI generated music, yes, it sounds like it's incredible because the songwriting is incredible.

There's all sorts of these tactics I can hear in the songwriting that is clearly modeled off of great songs.

That's what they're training it from.

But you hear a fully AI-generated song and it sounds perfect.

It sounds so perfect.

But, like, for your metal, like, what's the genre that,

That's why we have to get the AI lawyers on this.

Yeah, we'll have to see how many artists actually opt in, too.

I'm curious what the consensus is of, do I want...

It doesn't seem to me like artists want their music trained by AI for the most part.

That's the general... sense that i get so i'm curious like how many people are going to be like yes train train off of my music right when that seems like a lot of people don't like that and then it's like yeah for the people who do opt in what is the like if if there's a huge payout then yeah then maybe people start to do it just to kind of like support their career but if it's just fractions of a penny like will it even matter do you even want to like give give into that so we'll have to see

Jared, I'm curious what your take is on this one.

Yeah, this, I totally hear what Chris is saying, like incentivizing them to use it as a tool and not just type in a prompt and have it spit out some slop.

It also seems to me like we're going from Suno as a toy, which to me is kind of how it's been, it's just a toy, into more of like a tool.

What's your take on this one, Jared?

Well, I think that.

We'll see how it pans out.

The thing that I'm worried about is like what the question for the table was, like how long before a real artist with a stylized persona gets badged by mistake or just gets how long before a real artist who's completely real and authentic, their AI kind of like pulls their stuff or what, you know, slaps an AI badge.

Because we know from the past when like, Facebook or Instagram has tried to use AI in order to control things that it doesn't get things right.

So that's kind of one thing I'm worried about.

How are they going to know whether this is a real public identity and who's going to get caught in the crossfire? Use

If you're Michael, you'll think it's better than the

Right now they're doing a, a small test, well, relatively small, uh, th- but they're doing it in India, and so they're just testing this out in India with just universal artists.

Yeah.

So, I don't know.

Is this gonna be something that indie artists don't have access to even doing? Or is this a sort of another situation where the, like, the Spotifys and Apple Music are cozying up with the big labels because they've got a, that kind of relationship? So it's...

There's that going on, and I think that, you know, okay, we'll see how it goes.

That's, like...

I think this just points to rewarding fans with early access, which has been around forever.

Mm.

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And I, I wanna l- I wanna make one, like, other point here is that the key word here is major labels.

I think, you know, those are those, you know, huge Goliaths, and I think that more and more there's, um, like labels...

Like, just being on a label, having a label deal doesn't necessarily mean that you're giving your rights up for the rest of your life, and signing away your masters, and you're giving away 80% or 90% of everything you make, 360 deal.

Like, those, those deals I see less and less of in, in my world, in, like, the metal world.

I do see, um, the, the labels...

There, there are labels that can act as a, a team.

Obviously, the music speaks for itself, too, with what he's actually playing in it, but the whole thing is just very on brand for, for Devin as well.