Um, I- how would you define it? And what do you help people with?

Okay.

So I'm an ICF certified coach.

I did my coaching at a management coaching school.

Um, and then later on, uh, 10 years...

Uh, maybe not 10 years.

Seven, eight years after, I, um, stepped into hypnotherapy.

Mm-hmm.

Is this an issue you see at all in your day-to-day?

Thank you so much for that question.

That allows me to unpack a lot of things.

The first thing, let's go back to the model.

Your thoughts create emotions.

Your emotions create actions.

Your actions create thoughts.

Is this something that's on your radar that you see from people or do people not come to see you if they're thinking that?

Can you take us back to that meeting? What did you actually feel walking out, and when did you realize the coat had been part of your identity all along?

Hmm.

If I backtrack from a week, um, I was very tired, and I went on vacation in, in an ashram in the Bahamas where I did yoga and meditation for a week, and, uh, I met a m- woman there, became a friend, Isabelle, and we were walking in the ocean, and I said, "You know, my year, I know, I know my year pretty much a year ahead, where I'm gonna be every day.

Like, my calendar is already full for the next year." And, um, came back home, and then, uh, the person I was reporting to, which I still, I'm still in contact with and I really, really, really [laughs] love, she flew from Toronto, she came to Montreal, we had the meeting, and then the calendar emptied.

[laughs] And that's when I realized, and I...

It's funny 'cause I called the person and I said, "You won't believe it, you know, um, I was let go in that restructuring." And she said, "Yeah, so much for having a year booked in front of you," right? [laughs] So, so the coat was first, I would say, my time.

So, you know, my time was not...

So what would you suggest when someone is in a meeting like that or in a situation, and the body is frozen, frost- freezing?

So looking back, what did being laid off reveal about all of that, that leadership, all those years in leadership had not?

Well, it's one thing to have let go amazing people all your career, because when you were in the HR, you do let go people that are great people.

You know, they're just sometimes there's all kinds of reason why you're letting go somebody.

Me was a restructuring this other situation.

It's not because you let go of someone that this person is no good or has no value.

talents or, you know, so the first thing was to live the experience.

And the experience was so well done.

Well,

[laughs]

... uh, I traveled, uh, you know, got, you know, awards and stuff, and, and this was a way for me to connect.

Um, when I was a child, my father used to send me to encyclopedia all the time to search for answer, and he would ask me more questions, and I would come.

So I really worked my memory, my researching skills, and, uh, you know.

So that was my first job.

Uh, start easy, right? [laughs] And, uh, [laughs] and, and, uh- of course, I've learned to s- to sell, which, which is, I think once you can sell in your life, I think, you know, you can pretty much be, you know, know that you'll find a job whatever happens.

So it's kind of a security.

Yeah.

Why is it that transition so psychologically difficult?

Hmm.

Many of my entrepreneurs are family business owner, not all of them, but many of them.

So the first part is really the whole dealing with the family.

So, Often they were the banking machine for the family, or there were other kind of, you know, relationship they had with the family.

And now they're cutting tie with a certain type of hierarchy in the family.

So that's one part of identity then often.

yeah yeah

So tell us now, um, how, how you came into becoming where you are today in this position.

position.Yeah, so that allowed me to build the model that I really work with now, which I'll get back to, which is really peel back, rewire, and rise.

So in the peel back stage of my transformation, what I really did is I, I took a team around me.

So I really did took a team around me, and that included that epiphany.

Like, I had many epiphanies in that, in that, but the first epiphany was when I stopped drinking, was really one day, you know, m- my boyfriend at the time said, you know, "Wine is getting to your brain and it's no longer fun." And then I said, "Oh my God, somebody sees what I'm feeling, that my brain is slipping, that I'm no longer, um, able to continue to drink." So I stopped drinking.

That was day one, day two.

[laughs] Stopped drinking, and then I built the team around me.

And then I realize that it's just to each their own, and I have to stop looking at that 'cause it's causing me uncertainty in my own body, and that's not what I want.