What is the first thing that strikes you about the video of the killer here?

Vinny, the first thing that strikes me is that movement tells us something about behavior.

And what we're seeing is no searching behavior.

So there's no orientation behavior where he's scanning and stopping and slowing down or looking for landmarks or changing direction.

It's as if he has purposeful movement going from point A to point B.

Now, does this mean that this person 100% knows where they're already headed? No, but that certainly leads investigators to ask that question in a Socratic way.

You know, does this person already know where they're headed? Why? Because we're not having those orientation behaviors when someone's just running down the street or trying to get away from something.

But if it was a spouse, a sibling, a parent or something, do you think they would recognize?

Mm-hmm.

It's deciding are you danger or are you a friend? And so if we can think about both our brain and the amygdala and the other person, one of the things we can do to prepare before going in the room is take a deep breath, a couple deep breaths, [exhales] because what happens is if we're nervous, I'm going in and I'm talking to the CEO of the CEOs.

You know, I'm at this big event.

If I'm nervous, I'm talking fast, I'm going in hot.

Guess what? That makes them tune me out.

I'm not looking powerful or confident.

So you wanna go in, take a deep breath before you walk in.

Yeah.

What about it, Janine?

Well, where to begin? Just because someone is talking to law enforcement or talking even more so to the media doesn't mean they're telling the truth.

See, in our world, in my world of detecting deception, Nancy, liars try to convince us of something truthful people convey.

So let's start there.

Secondly, if we just listen to that clip you heard a second ago, Nancy and listener at home, he said, "You know" twice, "And then" the words and then you might as well say, "And once upon a time," and then means you're skipping information.

And then, well, what happened here? It's like yada yada yada from Seinfeld back in the day.

He also said, "I decided," listen, Nancy, people, I decided to do keto and lose a hundred pounds at New Year's five years ago.

To Janine Driver, I'd like to hear your response on that last sound that we played of Brian Hooker caught on tape and his story about what happened to Lynette.

Uh, Janine, give me your overall, um, interpretation of his movements on that front porch as we watch him.

Now, I think the everyday person and the untrained eye might not pick up on some of the things that Lauren and I might notice, and you too, Vinnie, which is we have twelve movements that connect to how we make decisions, all of us.

Whether you're from China, Iran, Chicago, it doesn't matter.

There's twelve movements that connect to how we make decisions.

In my world, Vinnie, we call this movement DNA or a behavioral fingerprint.

Let me tell you what this means.

With you slowing down the video is incredibly helpful because we see this tilt of his body.

What would make someone do that?

What can you tell me?

All right, Nancy and listener at home, viewer at home.

What the police are looking for most likely right now is, does this man look familiar to you? The way he is moving.

We have what's called movement DNA.

Look as he walks out here.

If you've ever been in a grocery store and you're like, wait a minute, is that my sister? Or in a movie theater and someone walked by, you're like, wait a minute, is that my neighbor? It's we all have movement DNA.

There are about 9 billion people on the planet.

You're a New York Times bestseller about this.