So the generation of Australians who are watching this debate and, and are yet to dive into a, a business as distinct to how this is impacting those who've started, what does it teach a, a young 22-year-old thinking about an entrepreneurial path?

Look, at the end of the day, you're built a certain way, right? So the fact that the government is basically gonna be ripping you off is something you just go, "I'll deal with that in the future." You know, if you wanna get into business and you have that entrepreneurial spirit and you wanna do it your own way, most entrepreneurs don't go into it and go, "I wanna be a millionaire or billionaire" or whatever.

They don't.

They go in and go, "Wouldn't it be good if I could find a solution to a problem? And that...

and I see a, a, a window that I could go in and do it." So that's what entrepreneurs do, right? Now, the fact that the government's bending them over and stealing from them, which I think that they are, is part of something that hopefully in the future can be rectified.

I don't know if it can, but hopefully it can.

Because it's not encouraging businesses.

So and, and on that point, do you, do you think there is, um, a difference between how these taxes are going to affect a 25-year-old founder who, who may have much less to lose and may be able to structure themselves correctly from, from the outset, the outset being now, versus a 55-year-old-plus founder who's got a mortgage, huge investment, and had an exit plan that had a sale attached to it in two or three years' time?

Like, when you look back on some of those earlier jobs, how would you say that those earlier experiences, I guess, set you up for, for what eventually became Boost and then, you know, a, a career in entrepreneurship?

Uh, look, I think one of the key things of traveling, particularly young and dumb, um, is that you have to learn solutions.

You know, I got myself into all sorts of problems, right? And you had to...

There wasn't an option.

You had to work it out.

And there was no one to save you, there was no manual, there was no YouTube to kinda go, "How do I get out of this one?" You've just gotta work it out yourself.

And so I think that that took into business, you know, a level of failure's not an option.

Did you have a vision back then of, of what it might become?