Jana Winderen

But I think that the current crop of clear listeners is more likely to be found in an institute of marine biology than they are in a seance.

And one example of that is, which I do talk about in the piece of Jana Winderen, whose soundscape of the Anthropocene Ocean 2021 was composed to accompany the publication in Science Magazine of an article of the same title.

So there's a way in which I think a lot of artists are working with ecologists in that way.

And it's a wonderful, I like it, it's a kind of hypnotic medley of crackles and bleeps and chunterings of various kinds, which are punctuated by kind of pulses of mechanical urgency, which of course is the human beings entering on the scene.

So, you know, it, it's there to be explored.

And for anyone who's, you know, particularly interested in marine sounds, the artist Jana Winderen is, is really good at getting to unlikely places and recording, you know, fascinating, you know, audio.

Mm-hmm.

Absolutely.