Jan Brewer

You see it in Arizona.

When you had Jan Brewer in Arizona, you had a good governor.

Then you've had nutjobs since then.

It's not okay.

So it's the fight for that.

And I think it must be close because Andy Biggs' campaign put out on Twitter yesterday that they were happy to get the endorsement of Doug Ducey and Jan Brewer.

Uh, they are not MAGA people.

They are as establishment as they come.

And let's, you know, widen the aperture, if you will, for the context of this conversation because I've covered immigration since 20, uh, 10.

I remember the very first time I was r- reporting on, on immigration was when out in Arizona, then, uh, Republican Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona was trying to pass a law called SB 1070, which deputized, uh, her state law enforcement officials to assist.

And the, uh, you know, numbers then, uh, I remember being, Michael, down in the border in Nogales and Douglas, Arizona, and the Border Patrol agents say, "We had a group of 12.

Can you believe it? 12 illegally crossed, and two have a, a, a record," and, and, you know...

Four percent? Well, the outrage about this must be off the charts.

I remember a certain Texas governor who felt that four individual cases of voter impersonation in the last decade was a moral issue important to address.

I

think any person who does not want to see fraud believes in having good, open, honest elections, transparent.

to the Supreme Court over a voter impersonation rate essentially close to 0%.

So a potential executing the innocent rate of 4% must really eat away at Rick Perry.

Your state has executed 234 death row inmates more than any other governor in modern times.

Have you...

Yeah, and, and she, and correct me if I'm wrong, she's not really known as this, as the c- a candidate who makes gaffes.

As you mentioned, there's a lot of ums and ahs, and she's not the most eloquent, uh, public speaker, but she's not out there gaffing all the time or saying some sh- It's very different from, like, say, some, a Jan Brewer.

Sure.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm

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when, in fact, Jan Brewer and the Republicans rolled over him-

Mm-hmm

... you know, people will say that the election was, was stolen, um, using this sort of thing, and, and, uh, Kari Lake, God bless her, you know, has fought hard on this stuff.

But, uh, I'm old enough to remember, Pete, you, you probably remember, too, when Jan Brewer back in the Obama administration when she was governor of Arizona, like, tried to do something about this.

Yeah, I remember that.

And, and, and the truth is, right, that Texas' public schools, Texas' roads, Texas' hospitals, Arizona's roads, Arizona's hospitals, you know, and I'm the infrastructure nerd so I'm gonna talk about this for a second, like, they're all going to fall apart because of this massive amount of illegal immigration, um, that, that, th- they're not...