Jamison Firestone

... someone else's.

And this is a great transition to Jamison Firestone because when he talks about having a roof and having kind of faked back debts and how they're used to seize, uh, assets in Russia, he gets at how corruption in Russia works on the rule of lies.

It's not just the rule of force.

So I think that's an excellent pivot for us to discuss kleptocracy as a system.

Yeah, 'cause I did it yesterday.

And we also had Jamison Firestone on his crazy tales running a law firm in Russia in the early aughts.

Really good storyteller, crazy upbringing.

Fun show for those who haven't heard it yet.

All right, guys, welcome back to Choose Views.

If you're just tuning in, I'm Richard Chu, hanging out with Jamison Firestone.

Jamison, before we went to the break, we were talking about...

I was being a little snarky about Trump and family and all the rest and what may happen in the event, you know, he decides to ship off to Russia after this next cycle.