Jamie Zaninovich

Let's do it.

Intro? All right, so we're, we actually go through our guests' bios in the interview, so we won't do that here, but we'll just do a quick intro of, we have Jamie Zaninovich and Charles Hoeveler.

Charles Hoeveler we've had on before.

He's our friend.

We had him on to talk about NIL about a year and a half ago.

Jamie Zaninovich, really interesting guy, awesome career in, uh, athletic director roles, commissioner of conferences, just a, a real astute observer of college sports, and so we do a deep dive with these guys on where we are in college sports.

Obviously, NIL still very much a big player in the world of college sports.

We actually have a-- It's an interesting time.