Jamie George

And so then I look at other selections.

Jamie George, he's been there for a long time, been captain, whatever.

But I look at the modern hookers now and what they contribute in the game, particularly in terms of carrying the ball.

And he's not that sort of guy.

So, Kitsie, for you,

when you look at these two teams –

Yeah, for me, England is quite a strange one because they've got, like if you look at the prem and look at the individual stars that's all representing England, there's some exceptional players, like from guys like Genge and Jamie George that I love in the front row to outside backs that's phenomenal players, individual players, but just not having the cohesion and finding that structure within a group is for me the big issue.

And then secondly, as Ewan said, as soon as... teams get to 20 meters out they just start backing up forward play and start putting their defenses under pressure but then from there discipline becomes a big issue and england conceded so many yellow cards throughout the season so far so that's also another a massive for me a red flag when it comes to to england rugby so for me is to find that that balance between how do you use your x factor players and and the talent that you have in your pool and picking the right structure and and tactics going into the last couple of games of the season with the Nations Championship now.

He's been playing really well.

That is a position we certainly need to be looking at because we know Jamie George is retiring after the World Cup and sort of Theo Dan's the only one we've been developing within that position.

So, Maybe this is his route forward.

Might be an opportunity for Billy Searle to work on his kicking.

You've got

Jamie George who's 108.

You've got Luke Cowan-Dickey who's 107.

And then you've got Theo Dan, who's just not very good.

I think that's going to apply more to the likes of Ellis Genge, Ben Earl, Tom Curry, maybe Marrow and George Martin as well, who, as I say, have not been setting the world alight at club level and will probably end up starting.

And whoever starts at hooker as well, whether it be Jamie George or Luke Kandicki, we presume it's a two-horse race between the two of them.

I think with Pollock, actually, I think because he is so good off the bench and because he does bring such energy and dynamism and vibes, in inverted commas, off the bench, and he does have an effect on the crowd at Twickenham, and he has an effect on the crowd elsewhere as well, but not necessarily for the same reasons.

at Twickenham he has a real effect on the crowd he gives everybody a bit of a lift and a bit of a boost when he comes on and I think England are aware of that like Steve Borthwick has never actually admitted it on the record but he's not denied it either and I think that he's very cognizant of the fact that actually Henry Pollock coming on after 45-50 minutes He gives the team a mental and physical boost just because of his energy, but also the crowd get lifted as well.

I think there is good notions behind that.

But if we have a look at the comparison of squads this week in comparison to last week, so last week against Bristol, Their front row was Phil Brantingham, Jamie George, and Alec Clary.

This week, it was Rhys Carey, Theo Dan, Marcus Street.

It's a completely different front row.

And they've had that sort of policy, similar policy, for a while.

But, yeah, no, it's not working.

And also, I just don't know if they've got the leadership, especially when they take out your sort of Jamie Georges and your Fowles don't play.

I don't know if they've got the leadership to do that and carry that out.