Jamie Durie

Yeah.

And you mentioned earlier that you've done a bit of TV because you were doing some work with Jamie Durie, I've heard.

Yeah, yeah, that old bugger.

Yeah, man, he's got some stamina on him.

Like he can out dig me every day of the week.

Yeah, we did a bit of work with him very, very closely with, oh, shoot, it's been a while now, growing home with Jamie Durie.

And then we did a bit of work with his new one that went to Channel 9, I believe.

Can't remember what that one was called.

But they need to be supported while they do, you know, some of the most complex work in some of the most complex areas, and try to communicate the- ... differently in very compli- i- in, in different complicated markets, but trying to get clear cut through.

When we do TV shows with Jamie Durie talking about what better homes look like, the lens we use is very different to a taxonomy consultation, and that switching of hats.

And, you know, many of the sustainability listeners on the line are experiencing it's a very challenging time.

Mm.

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Scotty Camp.

Scotty Camp.