It's almost like the fable Sisyphus, right? Where like, you're just constantly pushing that rock up the mountain and you have to love it to your point.

Yeah, you have to love it.

And the biggest thing that people need to realize is you have to let go of control because we are not in control.

And one, tomorrow is not guaranteed.

Literally, you got to do it because you love it, because it's a passion and you just keep pushing that boulder up the hill.

And sometimes, you know, the boulder rolls off this way and it goes off this way and you got to chase that sucker.

And sometimes it disappears.

You want to quit? Like, what would you say to that person?

Mm.

And we need to be okay with it and not b- not embarrassed about it, but really surround ourselves and lean into mentors and coaches and people that have had that experience, and you have to be extremely coachable.

But the only way through to that knowledge base is by having experiences.

Nobody's gonna listen to this podcast.

No one's gonna h- listen to me on stage.

No one's gonna read a book.

No one's gonna watch a documentary.

Talk about that concept of being coachable and what that kind of really means to you.

But there is, is it kind of like, so what are the pros and cons of the internal and the external route and where do you kind of fall on that debate? Yeah.

Yeah, I find this debate really interesting.

And we're similar to Nest.

I mean, we're at 10 billion at the moment, which isn't scale enough to be direct, if I'm being completely honest.

We look at it every year and we have frank discussions internally on our investment committees and trustee boards, etc.

And I think the right numbers is brilliant.

probably kind of 40, 50 billion plus those types of figures is when it starts to make sense.

And I know, for example, it's probably if you were to do green infrastructure with a fixed income structure, then you would have insurance companies probably biting your hand off How do you think about playing your role in that and investing in greed tech? Is that a part of your portfolio?

Instead of trekking hours every day-

I rented a campsite where I just set up one of my tents, and I was literally living out of my car while going to work, while being in the National Guard, while going to school.

[laughs] Yes.

Some people love apartments, and some people love the city, and they love the excitement, and they love the noise, but I love New Hampshire, and I love space, and I love greenery, and I, I like quiet.

Um, which is weird that I signed up to be in Djibouti for a year-