Mm.

Trying to get more positivity into dentistry.

First of all, I love what I'm doing.

I'm a clinical dentist still.

I do three days a week treating people like a lot of you listening and watching are.

So I'm actually clinical dentist to do that.

So that's the one thing, and I, and people say to me like, "You sold your business, why aren't you retiring? Why aren't you playing golf?" One, I don't play golf, and two, [laughs] I love what I'm doing too much.

Are they used interchangeably? A- a- and then thus what do, what does it mean to you? So and do you agree that that is an extremist view that is perhaps borderline dangerous? And then how do you want to change the landscape for holistic and biological dentistry?

So we do lots of

things.

So we do pH tests at the moment.

We do this, the oral microbiome, just the swab to look at what's going on.

Visualization under a microscope.

That's with every hygiene patients.

We do that to motivate them.

It was

I, I wonder, with, with, um, your move from Bow Lane to Optimal, um, Dental Health, what, what's your philosophy with the, the relatively new practice?

Yes.

Uh, it's been 18 months, so interesting doing a squat- squat.

Um, so yeah, I don't think dental care professionals have a deep enough conversation and don't realize the impact we can have on our patients.

And I think being in the same practice for a long time and being more...

Dental school initially taught us with, with nutrition, it was just like, "Don't eat food.

Don't, don't eat sugar.

You mentioned.