Uh, James, tell us about why you love the, the writings of Gay Hendricks, and then we'll introduce today's guest, sir.

Well, yeah, hi, Gay.

Thank you so much, Mr. Hendricks, for, for agreeing to jump on the show today, and thank you, Clay, for, for getting in touch with, uh, with Gay Hendricks.

It's a, it's an honor to be here, and thank you so much.

Well, I've read two of your books.

I've read, um, The Big Leap, and then what I call the follow-on to that, which is, you know, The Genius Zone.

Both of them, you know, I read the first one, The Big Leap, probably about 10 years ago, and then it came across my lap again very recently, within the past several months, and I read it again.

So, like, back to your example, what did you f- did you find out anything more? Like, did you find out if the guy had hearing aids, or did you find out anything more, or was that the end of the conversation?