Um, talk to me about putting speed at the center and viewing aerobic work skills power recovery as tools to support that.

Sure.

So, um, number one, I guess I'll start with the, the social media, the Instagram, um, I think a, a fault of social media, and I've said this on podcasts before, is like social media by nature is black or white, yes or no, like, dislike, right? Swipe whatever.

Um, so we often get pulled into...

And I see it all the time on, on swimming social media, is like s- we all need to be sprinting all the time and, and there's the old school group that's like, "That's stupid.

You need an aerobic base." And then, uh, you know Cam MacAvoy doing what he's doing right now, he's kind of at the center of it where people are using his...

him as an example of someone who is just sprinting, just doing power, and he's having success with it.

... becoming students of swimming.