So what's something you've both learned about that experience?

I mean, I feel like the project Thelma and James is grounded in the roots of maybe like a sad, melancholy acoustic song.

That's kind of like what we do the best or what we like to think we do the best.

That's not the greatest vibe for the first song of the night on, you know, my Saturday night tour.

So I think just bringing the heat a little more because Thelma and James has a little, we've got a little party vibe.

Totally.

We've got a little party vibe in us.

these songs kind of jumping around from writer to writer which i think is so cool and like you you see someone record a song but somebody else does it and there's there's one artist that finally grabs that and that's their like now iconic song have you ever experienced or like seen anything like that happen like these songs kind of bounce around from from artist to artist

I, like, I don't understand how-

What, what made me think of it, 'cause you were talking about what did I do, I was writing a lot, and then I was writing with Rob Crosby, um, who's a writer in town, and, um, he had been writing for Ilse DeLange, who's a Dutch artist, for years.

Anyway, she heard some songs we wrote, deci- decided to have me help write the record for her new side project, which was The Common Linnets.

We all, me and a group, wrote the record, and then when the record came out, we all became the band.

Um-

Some stuff went down

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some stuff went down.