Jake Elder

And, uh, that was a, that was just an example of my brother, uh, being there when I needed them.

I remember in 1984, when I was a cup crew chief, I had these peripheral visions, you know, I was not talking of like I was, you know, I was scared to death, but I, I be, you know, Jake Elder quit the Levi Garrett team and I became the crew chief.

And what I remember, what I remember was your big brother, Daryl and Jeff Hammond constantly working on that Cameron caster.

Yeah.