Mm-hmm.

Do you know anyone who has done it, who's done it successfully, uh, who charge ongoing, who, um, have been able to go back to existing clients and, uh, convert some of those clients to this model? And I would say, "You know what? Yes, I do.

I started with them in the business.

Let me connect you.

I love connecting people.

It's one of my favorite things to do." So Ben, being a, a good friend and colleague, said sure.

About after the 10th call, he said, um, "Jac, I'll do anything for you." But n- an advisor at this level, or any advisor for that matter, is not gonna make this change because they had a h- half an hour phone call with Ben.

So for people listening, where can they find out more about MindShift, ab- about your fee-based planning course and cohorts, where can we find you online?